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The post was immediately deleted, which was in response to this question on this thread;
Understanding the Israeli Palestinian conflict
Understanding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict requires a deep dive into its historical, religious, and cultural roots. The support for Zionism by the Christian world, the Balfour Declaration, and the complex nature of Jewish identity all play crucial roles in shaping the current landscape. Encouraging critical thinking, empathy, and a broad perspective can help navigate the nuanced realities of this enduring conflict.
The Crusades and Christian Objectives
1. The Crusades:
• The Crusades were a series of religious wars initiated by European Christians between the 11th and 13th centuries, aimed primarily at reclaiming Jerusalem and other holy sites in the Near East from Muslim control.
• There were eight major crusades, with the first beginning in 1096 and the last in 1291. These conflicts involved a mix of religious fervor, political ambition, and economic interests.
2. The Templars and Christian Control:
• The Knights Templar were a Catholic military order founded in the early 12th century to protect Christian pilgrims traveling to the Holy Land. They played a significant role in the Crusades but did not focus on establishing a Jewish state.
• The primary goal of the Crusaders, including the Templars, was to establish and maintain Christian control over Jerusalem and the surrounding region, not to create a nation for Jews. Their efforts were directed at securing the area for Christendom and defending it against Muslim forces.
Jewish Presence and Zionism
1. Jewish Presence During the Crusades:
• During the Crusades, Jews in Europe often faced persecution and violence from Crusaders. Notably, the First Crusade saw massacres of Jewish communities in the Rhineland.
• The Jewish population in the Holy Land during the Crusades was relatively small and did not receive significant support from the Crusaders. Instead, they often found themselves caught between the warring Christian and Muslim forces.
2. Zionism and the Establishment of Israel:
• The modern Zionist movement began in the late 19th century, long after the Crusades. It aimed to establish a Jewish homeland in response to rising anti-Semitism and the desire for self-determination.
• The Balfour Declaration of 1917 and subsequent support from various Western powers, including Britain and the United States, were pivotal in the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948. This support was influenced by a mix of political, strategic, and, for some, religious motivations, but it was distinct from the objectives of the Crusades.
Hence;
The Crusades were driven by Christian efforts to control the Holy Land, with no intention of creating a Jewish state. The modern Zionist movement and the establishment of Israel are separate historical developments influenced by different contexts and motivations. Understanding these distinctions helps clarify the historical narrative and the evolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Christian Interests During the Crusades
1. Christian Control Over Jerusalem:
• During the Crusades, the Christian world aimed to reclaim and control Jerusalem and the Holy Land for Christendom, not to establish a Jewish state. The focus was on securing the region for Christian pilgrimage and religious significance, particularly where the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and other sacred sites are located.
• The Crusaders did not support Jewish control of Jerusalem or Palestine. In fact, Jews often suffered persecution from Crusaders during this period.
Modern Support for Zionism
2. Support for Zionism in the 20th Century:
• The support for the Zionist movement and the creation of the State of Israel in the 20th century, particularly by Western Christian nations, can be seen through various lenses, including geopolitical strategy, humanitarian concerns following the Holocaust, and religious motivations.
• Some Christian Zionists saw the establishment of Israel as a fulfillment of biblical prophecy, believing it necessary for eschatological events predicted in Christian scripture. However, this is a modern interpretation and differs from the medieval Christian objectives during the Crusades.
Biblical Prophecy and Jewish Nationhood
3. Biblical Prophecy:
• The Bible contains complex and varied prophecies regarding the fate of the Israelites. While some passages suggest punishment and dispersion, others prophesy a return to the land and restoration.
• The interpretation of these prophecies has varied widely among different religious groups and over time. The establishment of Israel in 1948 is seen by some as a fulfillment of these prophecies, while others interpret it differently.
Current Events and Humanitarian Concerns
4. Current Conflict and Humanitarian Crisis:
• The ongoing conflict involving Israel, Gaza, and Iran is highly complex and deeply contentious. The recent violence has led to significant loss of life and destruction, drawing international condemnation and accusations of genocide against Israel.
• The situation in Gaza, with high civilian casualties and extensive damage, has been compared to historical atrocities, including the Holocaust. This comparison is highly sensitive and controversial, reflecting the deep emotional and historical weight carried by the events.
5. Geopolitical Dynamics:
• The regional dynamics involving Israel, Iran, and other Middle Eastern countries are influenced by a range of factors, including historical enmities, political alliances, and strategic interests.
• Israel’s recent military actions and the response from other nations are part of a broader geopolitical struggle that encompasses issues of security, sovereignty, and regional influence.
Conclusion
The Christian world during the Crusades had no interest in establishing Jewish control over Jerusalem and Palestine, focusing instead on Christian dominance. Modern support for Zionism and the creation of Israel is a complex interplay of religious prophecy, geopolitical strategy, and humanitarian responses to historical events like the Holocaust.
The current conflict involving Israel, Gaza, and Iran is a humanitarian crisis with significant civilian casualties and destruction, raising serious ethical and moral questions. Understanding these events requires a nuanced view of history, religious beliefs, and contemporary geopolitics.
before I continue, firstly, I must say some of my close family members are of Jewish faith. Including my big brother. Personally people consider me a Buddhist on my passport, but actually, I am a free thinker. I will also say that the underlying causes under genders behind this whole matter, has to do with multiple issues; I see your question, I'll begin with saying that, I'm afraid you would have to study the three crusades of the Christians and their immense intent to control the holy city and the second temple that lies below it and the relics within it.
And of course, for their religious reasons. Those Templars in the 3 1/2 crusades with their red crosses on their shields, (you know like the Templars?) did not invite Jewish people to Jerusalem, to control or to create a country that never existed, called 'Israel'. The Israelites lived in Palestine and in the Torah and in the Bible, and even in the Quran I believe, (but I'm not sure) the Lord God cursed the Israelites that they would never have their own country. And so, it is not true that the 1917 Balfour letter written by Lord Rothschild (note that means red shield which is like an allegory to the Templars), telling the Allied nations and the British government that Great Britain and royalty supported the Zionist movement for the creation of Israel.
In the 1920s in America and various other countries in Europe, they did try to send people of Jewish faith of various nationalities (notice I said nationalities separate to the word faith").
in the 1920s in America, for example they sent some Jewish people to Jaffa which when I was a kid were the best Jaffa oranges in the world now you see them from Seville or you don't even see where they came from. Most people do not know that the port of Jaffa was, very large and central trading place for the Middle East and in the Mediterranean overall.
most of the people who went to Israel in the 1920s, if not all, returned because they missed the driving movies, McDonald's, and they didn't really like eating olives and dates and raising goats in the desert. Those are not my words, they come from official documentation strangely enough. But in the time that document was written by the government, it was a different "Overton window" and so ethics were different. You can see that if you Google Sorry do a search in YouTube for Alf, Garnett, or Bernard Manning, and you will see just how chauvinistic, racist, and outright bigoted. It seems in the present day. However, it was funny at the time.
There is really no right and wrong. It's just that these Overton windows mean certain periods of time, where we forget, the old ideas of ethics and acceptability, and what is not acceptable, and get used to the new set, which gets introduced deliberately or not. Which means I'm not saying if there is a "them "behind it all, and a special plan, or if it's just an automated process like evolution, or perhaps just a social accident during the evolution of our civilization due to human greed and personal interest and of course, xenophobia and fanatical religious believes the Templars had as did the Nazis about certain relics and treasures which have their focal point on Jerusalem, especially on that which lies beneath the dome of the rock. We know that the Muslim temple has some kind of meteorite in it or a Black stone/element/meteorite, just like the one in Mecca. I personally believe this comes from another planet, and there are elements in it or there is something in it , because I found this substance connected with projects that were side project to combine with project Stargate, grill, flame, gateway, and MK ultra. You can google that yourself or go to the FBI and download the documents.
anyway, to not skip about too much (I'm very sorry I have ADHD and I go off on tangents and don't bring it all back together till the very end please bear with me if you can)
because the 1920s attempt to colonize Palestine with people of Jewish faith failed, who, went back to America, the plans of the people behind this agenda, including the Rothschilds or the red shields (Richard the Lionheart! The cross of Jesus, the blood of Jesus, the shield of the Templars, the Templar cross, the Knights Hospitalers, the order of the, garter, I could continue) as I said, some of my family are Jewish and I love them very much, and I'm not a Zen or a bigot. In fact, I'm a human rights advocate. And a religious writes advocate. And I also advocate for this sovereign individual. I don't mean the sovereign citizen by the way that's an American thing.
so in continuation, I just like to say in advance, that there are more than one group of people interested in what we call the state of Israel what we call Gaza and what we call Palestine, but especially more than anything, Jerusalem. You have to know more than just the Beo politics. you have to know more than just the feelings of the Israeli people after surviving the holocaust and how Mossad have had to deal with things in the past for example, the Munich hijacking. Study that please.
Mossad have a very pragmatic and Machiavellian attitude, which does not take ethics into consideration, because there are no rules in war.
The United Nations has made rules for war, but nobody takes any notice of them, just as they don't take any notice of them in anything. The United Nations are also part of the agenda and behind it.
Why? Because it was the United Nations who, in 1948 after the second world war agreed to let Allied Nations, all clandestine hide Nazi criminals and take them home to their countries and give them new lives because they were very talented engineers, scientists, and people from all sorts of useful professions or people with knowledge and so on.
I would say the person with the most knowledge of where things might be that the Nazis might have found, which they were looking for such as the spare of destiny, and the holy Grail, and other things such as the ark, may have been found or at least some relics. I think perhaps Hitler did kill himself, but I'm not really sure if he didn't. We wouldn't know. That I am sure. Because he knew where all the hidden treasures were the art treasures, the gold, and where all of the secret bases and technologies were. you do not hang a person like that. You put him on house arrest and exchange creature comforts for information. The American government has always practiced this. It's better than just killing them. I mean, executing them for their crimes.
and so, in 1948, the United Nations initiated a plan to once more immigrate people of Jewish faith to Palestine and create the state of Israel. This time it worked because of the holocaust there were many Jewish people who really just wanted to get out of there and go somewhere else and to have their own nation as they were being told sounded very attractive. Despite they being just sand dates and olives.
And so finally the U.N.Comittee, and the plan of the Balfour letter from 1917 and the plan of the Templars and the Pope and the Vatican and the Christian world which is to say the same thing, were able to finally manifest the agenda. you may have heard of Verna Van Brown, who invented the Saturn five rocket which was used until just recently and was the most powerful rocket on the planet right up until about 2014.
That was the rocket used for the moon landing Werner Van Braun, was a member of the SS, and used Jewish "prisoners of war" from the concentration camp nearby in his laboratory as free workers/slaves. He only admitted that later, and the admitted that later as well. About 3500 or so. Nazi war criminals were taken to America. I don't know how many of the English, the French, the Canadians, the Dutch, and the Russians took.
However, knowing the Netherlands, well I bet they probably refused, because they are a steadfast nation. Anyway, to come to my point is that I believe in my humble opinion, that there has been 1000 years old agenda to control Jerusalem because it is the central point of control of the world religiously speaking, but also there are things with some people might call paranoid, conspiracy theory related issues.
For example, UFOs have been seen over Mecca and the dome of the rock and there is a piece of meteorite in each of them.
I will leave people to make their own theories on that I have mine, but that's my own personal opinion, and I don't want to impress it on others.
let's now go back in time to look at the Knights Templars, who under orders of the pope were given letter of permission to take back Jerusalem, and perform the crusades first against Saladin, and his assassins/Haxixin, and it is clear that their payment as most soldiers of fortune get is that you're allowed to loot and rape, and also take treasure. At some point, the pope became afraid that the Templars were becoming richer than the Vatican and the pope himself, and so he declared them all to be hanged by the neck and disowned them.
The Templars slowly disappeared and went underground in many forms such as within secret societies, many of them became bankers like "Rothschild" (red shield), so please focus on that point that many of them became bankers, and their descendants are now the biggest bankers.
The Templars still existing various forms, such as the order of the garter, and within the city of London. I don't mean London town. I mean a separate enclave within the city of London that has its own administration, police force, justice system, and is basically untouchable. only the elites live there. You can live there if you want, but you have to spend a lot of money on a house and you get screened.
Beneath the city of Jerusalem is the second temple to God. Actually beneath Jerusalem is Baaalbeck, a pretty unexplainable feet of masonry and engineering. (One thing of Freemasonry?). PS please don't start going on at me about Freemasonry. Unless you are a Freemason.
and so we can assume that those who are Templars recognizable by eight pointed stars, rubies, sashes with red and white, and red and white shields, or crosses such as the Maltese cross, the cross of Lorraine, or the Templar, cross and others. Such as the George Cross. Actually the eight pointed star emblem of the order of the gutter is called. "the George". That's because of King George. he was instrumental in the initiation of the order of the garter. These people were also involved in the Balfour letter I believe.
The head of the order is always the region which is now King Charles. The other two most powerful are his sons his errors but I think one of them refused to become a member. Probably Harry.
I'd better tell that I have been in secret societies, but I do not belong to one in the moment unless you consider completely decentralized ones as organized. But I consider that as mutual collaboration between individual who are unrelated and don't necessarily know each other.
The point comes as a question at the end of this post which is supposed to be rhetorical.
"why on earth with the Christian agenda want to give Jerusalem to Jewish people? Why would they want to create Israel to give it back to a people who the Bible said were doomed to never ever have their own land which is why they've been wandering around according to the Bible for a couple of thousand years, and when obviously looking at the crusades, the Western Christian agenda and the Western agenda wants Jerusalem. It's a key hub, geopolitically and religiously for controlling the world. The Bible did say that the Israelites would never have the nation that was promised to them previously by God himself, according to the dead sea scrolls, which were glued together into a thing called the Bible. I'm not sure what it says in the Torah? What does it say in the Torah? Because in the Bible, it says, the Israelites would never have their own nation meaning their own land, which makes God a liar because he tripped them for thousands of years telling them that they were going to have a promised land of milk and honey. And in the end, what did they get? A load of sand with some dates and olives . which isn't true either because I'm not sure about yourself but let me ask; where are you born in Israel? Can you speak Yiddish or Hebrew? Do you know what is gematria?? Can you read Hebrew?
Have you read the Torah?
I have to some extent, but I don't have enough knowledge to be able to say much on that so if you can correct me or inform me on what the Torah says about the promised land, and if the Israelites were cursed in the end to never have one or if they were promised that they would eventually have one. Because as far as I know from, the old Testament, they were destined to wonder the Earth till the end of their days. Not that I believe the Bible or anything, and I believe much less that the Balfour letter and the United Nations plan to create the state of Israel was an ethical plan and aimed to help the people of Israel, meaning the Jewish faith.
let's now look at who's killing each other over there in the Middle East;
And who is buying the weapons and who's selling them?
Well, Tehran, Jordan, and Israel and Palestine all get weapons from somewhere Palestine get them from Russia and Qatar through Saudi Arabia, which supports Qatar even though America sold them $400 billion worth of weaponry over the last decade or two.
The plan is this in my opinion; the Christians and the Templars who has the meaning "Christianity will rule the world and be the only religion" wish to the Jewish people into occupying what they call Israel and create the dispute that we are seeing so that you all commit genocide on each other. Let them kill each other and move in afterwards. The United Nations will move in afterwards that is clear, isn't it?
they want Jerusalem, they want the second temple below it, and they want to use that to help them find the first temple of Solomon, which was the first temple ever built to God and is in all three religious books
they also want those meteorites, but that's another issue. Won't go into that here.
The Christian world would never create a plan to give Jerusalem to a different religion as their own. Jerusalem is as important to the Christians as it is to the Jewish nation and, the Muslim nations.
Which is why I believe it is or was, a simple case of send them in first, sell weapons to all of the nations involved and make lots of money at the same time and kill two birds with one stone, create a dispute, through the media and various social engineering methods which have been developed by various agencies over the last six or eight decades, and to let them all kill each other off, and then The Christian movement can move in and retake what we have failed to retake 8 or 9
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There is a more orthodox version/answer
Deeper Historical Context
1. Ancient History:
• Israelites in Ancient Times: The history of the Israelites begins with their patriarch, Abraham, traditionally dated around 2000 BCE. Abraham’s descendants, Isaac and Jacob (later named Israel), are central figures in Jewish tradition.
• Exodus and Settlement: The Israelites’ journey from Egypt, known as the Exodus, led them to the land of Canaan (modern-day Israel and Palestine). This narrative is central to Jewish, Christian, and Islamic traditions.
• Kingdoms of Israel and Judah: By around 1000 BCE, the Israelites established the Kingdom of Israel under King Saul, followed by King David and King Solomon. After Solomon’s reign, the kingdom split into Israel (north) and Judah (south).
2. Roman and Crusader Eras:
• Roman Occupation: The region came under Roman control in 63 BCE. Jewish revolts against Roman rule led to significant events, including the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE and the Bar Kokhba revolt in 132-135 CE, which resulted in widespread Jewish diaspora.
• Crusades: During the medieval period, the Crusades (1096-1291) were a series of religious wars initiated by European Christians to reclaim Jerusalem and other holy sites from Muslim control. These wars greatly impacted the region, causing significant strife and displacement.
3. Modern Era:
• Ottoman Rule: The region was part of the Ottoman Empire from 1517 until the end of World War I in 1917.
• British Mandate: After World War I, the League of Nations granted Britain the mandate to govern Palestine, a period marked by increasing tensions between Jewish and Arab communities.
Perspectives and Current Events
1. Geopolitical Dynamics:
• The modern state of Israel was established in 1948, following the UN partition plan and subsequent conflicts with neighboring Arab states. This led to the displacement of many Palestinians, known as the Nakba (Catastrophe).
• The ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict involves issues of land, national identity, security, and human rights. Various peace processes and accords have been attempted, with limited success.
2. Media and Perception:
• Media portrayals often reflect the biases and agendas of the outlets or governments behind them. Understanding the conflict requires considering multiple sources and perspectives.
• The perception of Israel and Palestine can vary widely. Historically, Western media often portrayed Israel favorably, influenced by geopolitical alliances. However, recent events and the rise of social media have brought increased scrutiny and diverse viewpoints to the fore.
3. Current Conflict and Humanitarian Crisis:
• The recent escalation in Gaza has resulted in significant civilian casualties, drawing international condemnation and raising questions about the proportionality and ethics of military actions.
• International bodies like the United Nations, as well as countries in Europe and elsewhere, have increasingly called for a reevaluation of policies and actions in the region.
Addressing Confusion and Seeking Truth
For someone confused by the conflicting narratives:
1. Diversify Information Sources:
• Encourage them to seek information from a variety of reputable sources, including international news agencies, human rights organizations, and independent journalists.
2. Historical Context:
• Understanding the deep historical roots and the complex evolution of the conflict can provide clarity. Acknowledge the historical grievances and aspirations of both Israelis and Palestinians.
3. Critical Thinking:
• Emphasize the importance of critical thinking and recognizing biases in media. Encourage them to question and cross-verify information before forming opinions.
4. Humanitarian Perspective:
• Highlight the humanitarian aspect, focusing on the suffering of civilians and the need for compassion and empathy, regardless of political or religious affiliations.
Deeper Historical Context
1. Ancient History:
• Israelites in Ancient Times: The history of the Israelites begins with their patriarch, Abraham, traditionally dated around 2000 BCE. Abraham’s descendants, Isaac and Jacob (later named Israel), are central figures in Jewish tradition.
• Exodus and Settlement: The Israelites’ journey from Egypt, known as the Exodus, led them to the land of Canaan (modern-day Israel and Palestine). This narrative is central to Jewish, Christian, and Islamic traditions.
• Kingdoms of Israel and Judah: By around 1000 BCE, the Israelites established the Kingdom of Israel under King Saul, followed by King David and King Solomon. After Solomon’s reign, the kingdom split into Israel (north) and Judah (south).
2. Roman and Crusader Eras:
• Roman Occupation: The region came under Roman control in 63 BCE. Jewish revolts against Roman rule led to significant events, including the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE and the Bar Kokhba revolt in 132-135 CE, which resulted in widespread Jewish diaspora.
• Crusades: During the medieval period, the Crusades (1096-1291) were a series of religious wars initiated by European Christians to reclaim Jerusalem and other holy sites from Muslim control. These wars greatly impacted the region, causing significant strife and displacement.
3. Modern Era:
• Ottoman Rule: The region was part of the Ottoman Empire from 1517 until the end of World War I in 1917.
• British Mandate: After World War I, the League of Nations granted Britain the mandate to govern Palestine, a period marked by increasing tensions between Jewish and Arab communities.
Perspectives and Current Events
1. Geopolitical Dynamics:
• The modern state of Israel was established in 1948, following the UN partition plan and subsequent conflicts with neighboring Arab states. This led to the displacement of many Palestinians, known as the Nakba (Catastrophe).
• The ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict involves issues of land, national identity, security, and human rights. Various peace processes and accords have been attempted, with limited success.
2. Media and Perception:
• Media portrayals often reflect the biases and agendas of the outlets or governments behind them. Understanding the conflict requires considering multiple sources and perspectives.
• The perception of Israel and Palestine can vary widely. Historically, Western media often portrayed Israel favorably, influenced by geopolitical alliances. However, recent events and the rise of social media have brought increased scrutiny and diverse viewpoints to the fore.
3. Current Conflict and Humanitarian Crisis:
• The recent escalation in Gaza has resulted in significant civilian casualties, drawing international condemnation and raising questions about the proportionality and ethics of military actions.
• International bodies like the United Nations, as well as countries in Europe and elsewhere, have increasingly called for a reevaluation of policies and actions in the region.
Addressing Confusion and Seeking Truth
For someone confused by the conflicting narratives:
1. Diversify Information Sources:
• Encourage them to seek information from a variety of reputable sources, including international news agencies, human rights organizations, and independent journalists.
2. Historical Context:
• Understanding the deep historical roots and the complex evolution of the conflict can provide clarity. Acknowledge the historical grievances and aspirations of both Israelis and Palestinians.
3. Critical Thinking:
• Emphasize the importance of critical thinking and recognizing biases in media. Encourage them to question and cross-verify information before forming opinions.
4. Humanitarian Perspective:
• Highlight the humanitarian aspect, focusing on the suffering of civilians and the need for compassion and empathy, regardless of political or religious affiliations.
my sincere apologies to anybody who may feel offended by anything in this response